I think death gives us that nice bookend. Something to shove against. This fulcrum. This pole to bounce off of. OPRAH: Oh, for sure. If we didn’t have death, nobody would ever get anything done. BJ: No, ma’am. No way. OPRAH: There wouldn’t be a damn thing ever accomplished. BJ: No. Why would you go to bed? I’ll do it tomorrow. OPRAH: If we didn’t have death pushing against us — BJ: Yeah. OPRAH: — nobody would ever do anything. BJ: No. And now I find myself giving talks more often. OPRAH: Yeah. BJ: And one of the things I love to ask the audience, because I think the — we absorb this idea that death is bad. Death is inherently negative. It’s nothing but losing control. It’s all negatively framed. But when I ask this question of most audiences, I say if you could push a button and live forever, would you push that button? I mean, it’s a silly question. It depends on the conditions. But, still, you get the point. And I’d say I’ve asked that question maybe 30 times and of thousands of people by now and maybe 10 percent of people say they’d push that button. So that tells me a lot. So death isn’t necessarily this ogre that we all don’t want anything — actually, at some point we kind of welcome it. So I just use that to kind of help us reframe the whole idea that death is inherently horrible. I don’t think it is. And most of us, I don’t know how you’d answer that question, I know I wouldn’t push that button. OPRAH: No. I wouldn’t push it either. I’d ask for could you get me a little more time. BJ: Bargain for more time. OPRAH: A little more time. But, no, I wouldn’t push the button.