Can Feminists and Non-Feminists Agree On Gender Equality?

Can Feminists and Non-Feminists Agree On Gender Equality?


Men are making choices for us, women About birth control abortion health care everything and we can’t even have a say on it cuz they won’t even hear us Can I have my non-feminists in the left spotlight And my feminists in the right spotlight The feminist movement has changed from its original definition The reason why I hesitated is because I started to think about who is most served by mainstream feminism I don’t personally think that that has changed. I think that white heterosexual Cisgendered women are most served by mainstream feminism When I heard the definition of feminist right I was like a feminist like yeah you know I believe in equality the sexes. Of course I do, but it changed the more that I Researched the movement, the more that I saw how mainstream media portrayed it and to me It’s like there’s a lot of issues that happen to men in Disproportionate amounts that are always overlooked. that you know no one talks about the suicide rate No one talks about the homelessness rate for men, and it sucks because if your whole movement is based around equality of the sexes, right? And to make sure both sexes are equaled and that covers the whole The whole spectrum, right? It’s not just one sex, it’s equality. The title of feminist, inherently excludes men. Interesting. -but the definition doesn’t. Male privilege is real. It’s not lost on me how Many more men are in academia and in higher education. Women are called more often to put their careers on hold In order to have children or for whatever other reasons, that’s just kind of the way I see it manifesting most in my life is just seeing how hard it is to be an intellectual woman in academia My name is faith, and I am NOT a feminist. I am a strong woman and I was raised by strong women but I Cannot get behind a few of the core ideals of what it often means to be a feminist So I do not identify as one My mother is a teacher. She has her masters She has years and years of experience and yet Her place within a school, her place within As far as like authority over students, is not the same as a man And I think that’s an inequality that I’ve just been shown from my mother who Comes home and says you know. I just had the worst day of work because I was uncomfortable the entire time or I had a Strange experience with a male student who just like would not listen to a word I said it wasn’t connecting it wasn’t until I brought in the vice principal who was male or Another teacher who was male that things could be kind of squashed and covered Just growing up I would say that overall our our school systems are more geared towards women There’s more female teachers, and that’s how our children are raised. You know the thing is that you were alluding to Your mom has to deal with those difficulties that a man would not have to deal with And men have to deal with a lot of difficulties that most women wouldn’t have to deal with. We do benefit from certain privileges but so do women I think you considered it a privilege that women there are more women in the teaching profession But you should also consider that Other options weren’t necessarily or historically available to women because they were considered to be more nurturing A lot of women were pushed into that field Still, women are choosing these majors And choosing their region of study whereas men are tending to choose higher paying majors They’re choosing more to go into STEM fields and such like that and Reaping the financial benefits while women are also reaping their own happiness benefits of going into a field that they enjoy If I were born the opposite sex my life would be easier I started to walk over Just thinking inherently the privileges that men in this society have and how they’re able to navigate far easier and and all of that stuff and then I thought what it would be like to be a black man in this society and I don’t know that it would be any easier I am first-generation mexican-american. I have two Mexican parents. If I were to be born a male Mexican it’d be so much easier for just that group. I try to break off from those stereotypes of “Melanie gets a table ready for dinner” excuse me, I have two brothers that can do the exact same thing you know why can’t they do it? Why do I have to do it? My name is Melanie Valdez and I am on the feminist side. I had an incident where I was sexually assaulted and that changed my whole perspective. If I was born any other thing than I am I would have to struggle differently than I have already Struggled and you know compared to some people in You know minorities or some people that are white Some people that are white have struggled more than me. There’s always a positive and a negative that you’re born with and It’s how you utilize that and get over it that I think is important rather than focusing on if I was born this or if I was born that. I think it is kind of what we make of it And I’d almost say that to want to be anything different than what we are Is possibly even defeating the purpose of the feminist movement a big part of feminism is Telling women that they’re worth it already, that they’re already enough. I have a little sister. I have friends who were told by their by their father by their older brother that you are enough And now they’re doing whatever they want Because they were told they could they were given the opportunity from the beginning And they weren’t told well if you were man you could. No no no, they were told you are a woman and you can because of who you are. Not sure that having a community that affirms who you are is enough if the society and the structure and the laws and the policies that govern, tell you otherwise. My parents told me I could do whatever I want to do and so I went to law school And I’m an attorney and I write But I don’t make as much as my my Coworker who does the exact same thing and who I’m probably more qualified than. From the statistics that I read, there was no wage gap bills and earnings gaps – So generally it’s your understanding that there is no wage gap between men and women and that.. – Yes, there’s an earning gap different positions different Different schooling can also be a factor you can have the same degree but from two different schools And they’ll pay someone with from a better school different, how the interviews go, even negotiable You know entry salaries. – Why then are women choosing jobs that pay less. Culture Men and women need to work together to create equality I think one of the reasons that I can take issue with certain types of feminism is it does come across as anti-man sometimes. It comes across as “it’s your fault.” You know if I go to a women’s March And I see signs that say smash the patriarchy and like our P word bites back and stuff like that That’s as much as that speaking against you know an oppressive top culture That’s speaking to all men, and I don’t see that as helpful Well, I think all men benefit from patriarchy I mean you need to acknowledge your privilege first. If people could hear that about themselves and not be defensive, think that we could probably push the needle forward a lot faster. Something that plagues the feminist movement is that there’s this idea that in order to Gain equal footing the other side has to be emasculated or has to be dropped down And it’s not this isn’t pie you know what I mean just cuz I get a slice doesn’t mean you get You get less right? Yeah, advocating for women’s rights doesn’t infringe upon men’s rights You know first and second wave feminism were very clear in the very particular things that they were trying to accomplish you had first wave feminism Which was very clearly you know trying to get the right to vote Second wave feminism right after like World War II and such Helping women progress in the workplace and such And now I see third wave feminism, and it is broken apart It can be a lost movement that goes in so many directions has so many extra qualifiers And I think about I was talking to one of my friends who went to the women’s March with a pro-life feminist group And she said on multiple accounts they were asked to leave because that’s not why the women’s march was happening and that they were against the movement and so you have all these different types of feminism. There doesn’t seem to be a clear center and a clear desire And I hear people call themselves feminists for all different reasons and with some of them I would agree and I would call myself a feminist for those reasons, but because it’s so all over the place I just can’t call myself a feminist If feminists can make a concise push towards one issue, together Would I be willing to join? If I agreed with the point, yes. If I agreed with what the movement was going for, yes. As a woman I’m not sure that I’m concerned whether or not you want to join as a man. – Is that not part of the issue? – but that’s segregating gen.. That’s that’s segregating genders if you’re saying that you don’t care about my opinion as a man No I don’t care about reshaping and forming my feminism in a way that is Digestible for you, as a man. – So what’s the current one message? – The definition of feminism Across the board is the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes. Yes, why are we only talking about the female inequalities? – Why aren’t we talking about the male inequalities? – We do not have the same experience We do not. You are not oppressed in the same ways that I am No and I’m sure you’re not oppressed in the same ways that I am. More of our world leaders should be women Let’s talk about for like this like abortion Those who signed the bill, in the room, with Trump, they were all white men. I did not see a single woman. It doesn’t matter if it’s a white woman. I did not take a single woman in there So those men are making choices for us, women About birth control, abortion, health care, everything And we can’t even have a say on it because they won’t even hear us I don’t view it as we should have more women in office. I view it as we should have the most qualified people in office. If you have an issue with you know the bill being signed by white men I believe that voting for congress people that are women or you know whoever you Review and believe or the most qualified will put those people in power If we are talking about the last election. I believe that the most qualified candidate did not win. People need to really consider what role gender played in that. Just logically the people that they’re representing are both men and women so the people representing us should be men and women and It would really hard for me to ever understand why people wouldn’t think that there should be more women in leadership I love women. I love being a woman. I love strong women. I was raised by strong women I don’t agree with all of the things that are traditionally Included in feminist beliefs like I have a different view on abortion than you guys, so that’s a big deal for me. That’s one of the most important things to me I’m a Christian and that’s just one of my beliefs so that’s kind of for me That’s one of the driving forces why I don’t identify as a feminist To divide into into two teams Gender wise is is not Spartan It’s not often what we do, but it is sometimes and how do we avoid that and how do we avoid that separation How do we make it a collective effort even though I’m a conservative white man, and you know there are different views than me And I don’t want to force you to agree with me I don’t want to change your mind in that way, but I want to see how I can still work with you fully and be on your team and you can be on mine as we disagree agreeably. Thank you everyone for probably the most respectful middle ground I’ve ever seen Hey guys, this is Jason from Jubilee, thank you so much for watching another episode of middle ground We hope you enjoyed it as always please let us know in the comments below What your thoughts are as well as if you’ve got any suggestions for any new episodes? Believe it or not, we do read all of your comments. So thank you as always please click here for more videos click here to subscribe and we’ll see you next time.

100 comments on “Can Feminists and Non-Feminists Agree On Gender Equality?

  1. Kayla Marchbanks Post author

    The girl with the yellow sweater is what I hate , why are us black women always victims? No I refuse to be a victim I refuse to be oppressed . I didn’t grow up with money yet I’m a black women going to school to get my doctor of veterinary medicine and nothing is stopping me .

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  2. Kenedi Deutschman Post author

    I'm not a feminist. I believe in strong women. I believe I am a strong woman and that I have a voice. Though I don't agree with abortion, which I believe is the main push regarding feminism now, though the wage gap is also an issue, my main concern is the behavior of feminists. It might just be where I live, but young, generation Z feminists in my city are the most hypocritical women I have ever met. I see girls who put down men in the most brutal way possible and are very passionate to recognize the arrogance of men when it comes to sexual harassment or about how men see women as objects, which I believe in some cases are true. Some men are arrogant. But some women can be arrogant to men as well. It's all about relationship with other human beings. Respecting one another. Men are no higher than women, and women are no higher than men. Yet, every single one of them listens to rap music that uses racial slurs, gender discrimination and terms of how women are objects to these men and they listen to it religiously. That is why I'm not a feminist.

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  3. Matt Smith Post author

    Incoming Unpopular Opinion:

    Feminism Definition: The social, political and economical equality of the "sexes"…

    Some feminists (I said some): "It just means getting equality for women."

    Take this as an example:

    Think of berries being a perk or advantage. As male and females, we are born with different perks.

    You have 1 Blueberry and 1 Strawberry on your left (Female)
    You have 1 Blueberry and 1 Raspberry on your right. (Male)

    By fighting for one side, guess what?

    The left side (Female) now has 1 Blueberry, 1 Strawberry and 1 Raspberry. 3 Berries

    What about the right side (male)? It's still stuck with 2 berries only.

    So is that what feminists want to represent? Because if so, they won't win any men over. Just remember, you can't fix a broken piano without all the pieces. Same way with equality, you can't shout about equality by disregarding inequalities that men have too… We have inequality in statistics about men too… more men commit suicide, more men go jail etc..

    If you're really a feminist and support the true definition of feminism, then work together with us men. So we can discuss each inequality from both sides and address them diplomatically one by one.

    ps. With regards to abortion, I believe both men and women should decide, not just men, I think it's wrong that only men decided that. After all, it takes a mother and father to create a child (in the general and most common situation).
    My personal opinion is this… The father should have a say, and so should the mother. In the event that the mother doesn't want to have a pregnancy, her choice should override the father's choice, as unfortunately the mother carries the child and therefore carries the burden of those 9 months too.

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  4. mark tackett Post author

    The example of the young mans Mther being a teacher that didn’t seem to have as much control of her class as when she brought in another teacher, that isn’t really an example ,it could be that she isn’t a strong authoritatian, kids sense whether the adult in the rom is weal or strong and they exploit that.

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  5. Char Post author

    all the closed minded negativity I'm reading in the comments is genuinely shocking to me. to all the men saying "we don't have it easier, we're expected to pay for everything, we're expected to perform manual labor, we're expected to be emotionally absent," that is quite literally the entire point of the feminist movement. men have unfair expectations placed on them that exclude the women who want to participate. women have unfair expectations placed on them that exclude the men who want to participate. the fight for equality is not a fight against men.

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  6. Crix Post author

    12:46 bruh trump did no win cuz he a man. he win cuz he put millions and millions into advertisment.

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  7. ميقالا Post author

    Is the guy in the black shirt and glasses single? Cause OMG how so handsome and wise both at the same time 😫😫

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  8. Jacqueline Filo Post author

    Women are scary…in a bad way. When a female sees a female who’s prettier than her, she literally goes nuts! I personally have been abused by so many females because I’m pretty and smart. Women call themselves feminists but all they care about is looks.

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  9. anna anne Post author

    Feminism is viewed as a bad thing because of the women that degrade men. It's now "changed" because media has focused on women and makes men look out to be so better off when, in some cases, they might be, but there is just no regard for the inequality of men. A feminist has turned from a fighter for equality into a person who has complete disregard for the problems that males have. That's just my 2 cents 🤷‍♀️

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  10. ShadowNinja705 Post author

    Is it just me or all the feminist always talking about themselves and the non feminist are out here with the goo points

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  11. Joseph Mendoza Post author

    That black girl was ridiculous saying men are privileged is ridiculous. The court system is in favor of women. If someone wanted to falsely accuse a man as being a rapist they'll lock them up no questions asked

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  12. DanielP533 Post author

    Feminism I hate it. It is a big sexist movement attempting to make women appear better than men. This is not “equality”

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  13. Wilhelm Holloway Post author

    The Woman in the yellow shirt, you can see it in her eyes. She was barely taking anything the others said into account was just going on her own little rant with every question that was brought up. She essentially just voiced the picture-perfect, social media bred radical feminist that the white jacket and blue polka-dot shirt guys were trying to rationalize.

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  14. 8cow Post author

    At 12:40 her point is that Hillary didn't get enough votes because she is a woman. What she doesnt understand is that just as many who didn't vote for her because she is a woman voted for her because she is a woman, if not more. So it isn't a valid point.

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  15. Last Raven Post author

    Most girls go into psychology, nursing, or teaching, or some kind of fashion/beauty stylist stuff then complain they aren't making as much as the guys who went into STEM

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  16. Emperor2Goodyy Post author

    It's like they deliberately put a toxic ignorant jerk in every video just to make it more interesting. Looks like Sessen was the chosen one this time.

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  17. RanarchyPack Post author

    Guys I’m not a feminist but I do agree on the fact that men should not have a choice on things like abortion because all they get is the pleasure out of it they have to go through the pain

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  18. jasmine cummings Post author

    I hate when people use "being a Christian" as a reason why American as a whole should ban abortions. Last time I checked, our FIRST AMENDMENT gives everyone the freedom to religion, and therefore there should be a separation of religion and the state because everyone has different religious views that they are allowed to FREELY practice without PERSECUTION. You cannot make a law based on your religious beliefs because you are then PERSECUTING those who differ from yours. Our country is governed by the CONSTITUTION not THE BIBLE!

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  19. Juliette Raymond Post author

    yellow shirt saying "we do not have the same experiences, you are not oppressed in the same ways that I am" and white t-shirt saying "and you are not oppressed in the same ways that I am." it's because men aren't oppressed nearly as much as women are. y'all really need examples? catcalling. sexual assault rates. salary inequalities. women forced into prostitution. keeping women from having access to safe abortions and birth control.

    we have women in this world who are still considered literally inferior to men in so many extremely oppressing ways and saying we don't need feminism anymore is cutting their throats.

    once you realize that "down with patriarchy" signs aren't there to attack you as a man but to denounce a society, once you realize that a thing as simple as walking down the street feeling safe in a situation where a woman wouldn't IS a privilege, you're in the right mindset to help us make this world a better place for everyone.

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  20. widowmaker edits Post author

    "Men are in higher education more" is incorrect. Women make up more than 65% of college students.

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  21. widowmaker edits Post author

    "Thank you for the most respectful middle ground ive ever seen" but that one woman on the feminist side was super rude the entire time????

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  22. A A Post author

    You should make unedited or less edited videos like this. I think these conversations are really important to have (by these I mean a lot of your other vids too) yet these conversations rarely happen. Seeing edited videos that first within 15 minutes brings up the main points for each side, which is important, but doesnt get into the true conversations.

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  23. Jacob Porter Post author

    They should do nazis and conservative middle ground or ethno statists and conservative middle ground

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  24. Samurai X Post author

    @ 7:20

    if your attendance is the same or better than the male employees

    If you have received the same QUALITY of training or greater (not just same degree)than them

    If you have been working the same amount of years on that particular job as them

    If you do the exact same amount of work as them and have the same position

    …then yes I believe she should be paid the same as them

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  25. Dominic Colangelo Post author

    It’s funny to me how so many leftist arguments consistently mention vague ideas such as “the policies” or “the injustices” yet cannot give legitimate information about any

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  26. Caden Evans Post author

    If a woman accuses a man of rape with no evidence he will be sentenced to 5 years in prison. Also if you wanna take me job of being a blacksmith go ahead I’ll take care of the one baby…

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  27. Martin Frederick Post author

    Can we get an hour long version for each of these? I feel like the conversations are severely limited.

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  28. Junko Enoshima Post author

    Why did no one challenge that one lady that says there's more men in academia and higher educationg? That is actually false. Schools are geared towards women. Boys actually drop out much more than girls do. There are more women in collwge than there are men.

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  29. Avery Test Post author

    I'm a Mexican male I cook my own food because my old school grandmother doesn't wash the dishes right. My mama wont let me cook because I dont be long in the kitchen. There are also women who have looked down upon men for not looking manly or doing what's considered women's jobs. There is sexism towards males.

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  30. Damond Pleasant Post author

    I wonder if these would be called mansplaining if a man was doing them: 7:30, 9:15, 10:40, 10:55, 11:20

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  31. danpaul Post author

    0:15 aka. We brought feminists and humans together to spark dialogue about their differences and similarities.

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  32. jproots_ Post author

    I say just stop complaining about the past and just grind to change the future. Nothing will ever be 100% in our favor.

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  33. Jennifer Kant Post author

    The abortion bill was written by men and women. I'd like to see more facts so you aren't spreading the lies further.

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  34. vitochie Gaming Post author

    When they bring up the question of "my life would be easier if I was the opposite gender" The girl talks about how she trys to break away from stereotyping. But isn't it stereotyping thinking that all mens lives are easier and assuming that your life would be easier if you switched genders. I feel like its a very ignorant question to answer for either side, assuming that because you switch genders, your life is going to be easier. Your life is what you make of it, this question just gives you the opportunity for excuses and personally that's all I see in this question. But I'm a white male so I will of course receive hate for even stating my opinion because my life is easy of course and I am privliged obviously.

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  35. Micah Henn Post author

    When you’re a guy, mid 20’s, still living with your mom, and a feminist. Sheesh, someone gets no pu$$y🤧😂

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  36. Alec Plano Post author

    The men making decisions about birth control and abortion were elected by the population. So although they are not women they do represent women. If you have a problem with that you do have the right to vote for a woman or protest, but that is how our democracy works.

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  37. Amara Correal Post author

    So I was hoping SOMEONE would bring up the differences between feminists and man haters, There is a very key difference. I also wanted them to go into depth about issues on both sides. I think she is right when she says feminism doesn't need to be shifted to be digested by men. But I also think that right now there isn't one united push for one thing. They should have brought up issues about toxic masculinity and how feminists do work to fix this in men and teach them things like crying and or feeling upset and expressing yourself is okay. THEY NEEDED TO PUT OUT A BRIDGE TO THEM TO SHOW THEM THE PART ABOUT EQUALITY IS REAL. Since they didn't do they didn't convince anyone to think AT LEST KINDA In their favor. Feminism when talked about correctly really is about equality between the sexes, I think the lady in the yellow shirt just got worked up. You know?

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  38. Godfrey Elder Post author

    Gender equality means Male = Female. I’m a straight man that dates only women. Sorry feminists. I will never date a man. Ever.

    Gender equality is gay.

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  39. Agent Of Vengeance Post author

    Feminists are the most delusional people on earth.
    They want equality of outcome which is impossible.
    They want to get rid of men in leading roles even though they are qualified for it.

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  40. snowm4nn szn Post author

    I am a white 14 year old male that grew up in a very liberal school. I mean. VERY. Although I am young, as I have gotten older I have seen how there is no one definition of feminism. I have a close friend of mine and she is a feminist who views politics similar to me in terms of all sexes and in general all people being equal. But there are also feminists who are too tunnel visioned to see that there isn’t an problems wrong with being a straight white male. I have grown up in an interesting time, the first years of my life people were just people, oh we all wish we could go back to that. As a grew up these issues became apparent to me, however in recent years that saying that straight white men have it all is seeming to be less and less true. Yes, I do not suffer from racism the way a person of color would. Yes I am not as prone to sexual harassment or sexual assault as a women is. Because we don’t suffer from those things makes people think we have it so much better then they do. Two years ago I was walking in a neighborhood with my friend and this neighborhood contained a majority of African American people. We walked by the basketball court and this group of kids tell us “boy he ain’t black” and those four words really showed me that racism isn’t just a one way thing although it is mostly a problem on the one end. I know I am white and in most conditions I have lived in so far I wasn’t the outsider in terms of race so I really don’t know all that much. Overall I think America is focusing too much on these subjects involving sexism and racism, and instead we need to focus on problems EVERYONE HAS TO DEAL WITH. Those being climate change, racism and sexism being dramatically changed for us to be equal won’t help anyone if we all die due to the causes of things like climate change. Everyone is so damn tunnel visioned on their own problems god damn.

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  41. TNTFreddan Post author

    Feminism is like Communism.

    It works on paper but it's executed too extremely to one side and it's biased against the ones that are already rich (Women in this case).

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  42. danpaul Post author

    Okay. So, let me get this straight. The guy with the white hoodie is a non-feminist but he's also a trump supporter on episode 3 of season 2

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  43. Max Storm Post author

    the best thing is that they have more than enough reasons to support the side they chose and such, actual experience of the unfair life.

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  44. Nathan Kan Post author

    imagine criticizing men for making decisions when less women in general strive for those positions. It isnt up to the people in power who gets the power, its up to the ones who actually strive to make a change. Saying that men make all the decisions for women is just delusional, as nothing stops women to reach those positions as well

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  45. Parrot Parfait Post author

    Mom: "Hey Melanie can you fix the table?"
    Melanie: "Uh no mom! I'm a first-generation Mexican-American with two brothers who have the ability to do it. I'm a proud feminist who is breaking barriers and stereotypes! How dare you?"
    Mom: "If you don't take these Enchiladas to the table, stereotypes aren't going to be the only thing broken tonight."

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  46. BNT Warhead Post author

    Female non-feminist here. I am a very strong and dominating woman, and I do get push back for that by some of my young peers, but I think feminism today represents much much much more than just equal rights between men and women. I am a christian who is pro-life and I disagree with homosexuality although I still love and support homosexuals as people. Thus, I cannot call myself a feminist without being associated with people on the other side of those arguments. I would love to live in a world where I am not told by my brother that I will find a beta male and then realize that I need a strong alpha man who can "satisfy" me. My preference towards softer, smaller men should not be up for any kind of debate. I should not be told that I am a control freak or overcompensating for that. The fact that I am second-guessed when I express my own preferences is something I would like to change, and I wish that I felt like I could associate with a movement for that, but feminism doesn't have any strict opinions that they can all agree on, so I cannot join them without being misunderstood, and there is no community out there to support who centers in on my beliefs specifically.

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  47. Sloane Leighfield Post author

    A very frustrating thing about being a woman are the creepy men. I as in a mall once, waiting for food. There was plenty of standing room yet this old man stood so close he was almost touching my shoulder. My friend who was there talked about it with me afterwards and we both agreed he was being creepy and staring at me. The fact I'm a teen makes it more difficult because it adds a layer of disregard when situations like that occur.Those situations are so hard to deal with because technically he was doing nothing wrong so I can't really tell him off or do anything about it.

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  48. MannyVic Gaming Post author

    We have to be honest, if feminists propose "toxic masculinity" is a real thing then so is "toxic femininity."
    And the black chick in yellow is very clear evidence of that.

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  49. OmyFN Post author

    I feel like Woman fixing there problems don’t leave us with less but feminism means both so I can’t follow a movement the fixes one sexes problems in stead of both when it means both

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  50. Inebriatd Post author

    Feminism exists because men are better. Women were duped to believing that they could accomplish as much as men.
    It's NOT a "man's world" but a world that men can better manage due to their innate capacity for industry or "supply & demand". A man's natural state is in a high risk & aggressive atmosphere because we COMPETE WITH OTHER MEN for self-promotion or conquest. That's how everything is finally accomplished. Meanwhile women have conditions rendering them allergic to the natural order. And as they look to men for change they prove themselves incapable. It's not up to a man to "give equality". A women protesting has her taken less seriously. A feminist, even less. Reason why "go woke, go broke". The more support, the sooner it fails.

    Women are more concerned with representation than realizing that they contribute little to nothing of worth- reason their claim "for equal rights" is accurately recognized as "privilege". Women want men to value what women offer. That's never going to happen because not even men can get away with that with other men. Foolishly, women openly dismiss the very thing that makes then important: childbirth & childbearing. Men, no matter their political bias, DO NOT CARE for a woman in the work field because men manage those jobs too. However men can't bear children. And protests for abortion, workplace privileges, or goals to be childless lower her value. Basically, the only leverage women has she rejects.

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  51. marina svensson Post author

    I am a feminist bu definition but I don’t identify as a feminist because the word has been used by man haters and/or feminatzis.

    I don’t wanna be associated with man haters so I prefer the term peopleist (sorry if I spelled that wrong)

    Men do have difficulties in this society that shouldn’t be overlooked.

    Instead of focusing on “man spreading” we should focus on things that actually matter.

    I think that most people are feminists by definition, we just choose to use different words that aren’t seen as extreme.

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